Bad Pat!

"ROBERTSON: There was a popular coup that overthrew him [Chavez]. And what did the United States State Department do about it? Virtually nothing. And as a result, within about 48 hours that coup was broken; Chavez was back in power, but we had a chance to move in. He has destroyed the Venezuelan economy, and he's going to make that a launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism all over the continent.
You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war. And I don't think any oil shipments will stop. But this man is a terrific danger and the United ... This is in our sphere of influence, so we can't let this happen. We have the
Many Latino news reports are calling Robertson a "ultraconservative religious leader" and are obviously in an uproar about the comments said last Monday. But what are American's saying. What is the left saying and what is the right saying? What are you to take away from this?
Robertson recently today released this statement saying that he really didn't mean that we should assassinate Chavez.
"I didn't say 'assassination.' I said our special forces should 'take him out.' And 'take him out' can be a number of things, including kidnapping; there are a number of ways to take out a dictator from power besides killing him. I was misinterpreted by the AP [Associated Press], but that happens all the time,"
That is true, Robertson has been misinterpreted by the AP on a few occasions including the 2003 spat about when some people thought that Robertson was asking Christians to pray for some of the supreme judges to retire. Many thought he was asking people to pray that they would get sicker, many questioned his interpretations on our judicial system but all in all, he was simply saying that there were judges getting to a point where they could no longer function in a judicial capacity.
So we know that Robertson has been misinterpreted before but what about this time? I don’t really know if he can back out of this one. All I do know is that as a Christian, he shouldn’t have said the first part of that controversial statement. The whole “You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it.” statement might be true, but you know what? He’s a televangelist first, a politician second. This places Christians in a bad light. If maybe he had worded it differently, done something to suggest it might have only been a joke etc… but no, there’s almost no way around that statement.
Sure, Chavez might not be the greatest thing for
My finishing note is this. Muslims and Communisms together!?!?!!? Where the heck does he get that from!? Communism is strictly against religion because in a perfect society religion isn’t necessary because that illumined perfect state is already there. So that statement kind of made me laugh. Yet, that combination would be kind of scary.
All in all very interesting how everyone is jumping down his throat.
Very well said. My comment on Chavez, if we weren't planning on "taking him out", as Pat Robertson says, and Chavez thinks we are then I think we ought to, at least, TRY and convince Chavez that we don't intend on "taking him out". If he's not doing anything to us unless he started to do what Saddam did I don't think we should "take him out".
28/8/05 8:49 PM
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28/8/05 8:49 PM
ummm......whats your other blog link...the new one...yeah
29/8/05 1:38 AM
Interesting things televangelists do. Sometimes it boggles my mind what they get caught saying. Obvisouly America wants to distance itself from his comments, but it raises an interesting debate on where Christians should stand on an issue like political assasination. I'm not associating Chavez with these guys, but should Hitler have been assasinated? One of the most well known Christians of the 20th century, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, thought so. What about Mao Ze Dong? The Viet Cong? So where do we draw the line? And if America, "one nation under God", is suppossed to be standing up for basic human rights around the world, are we as a nation to draw a line? If so, where?
29/8/05 1:39 AM
Interesting things televangelists do. Sometimes it boggles my mind what they get caught saying. Obvisouly America wants to distance itself from his comments, but it raises an interesting debate on where Christians should stand on an issue like political assasination. I'm not associating Chavez with these guys, but should Hitler have been assasinated? One of the most well known Christians of the 20th century, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, thought so. What about Mao Ze Dong? The Viet Cong? So where do we draw the line? And if America, "one nation under God", is suppossed to be standing up for basic human rights around the world, are we as a nation to draw a line? If so, where?
6/9/05 10:56 AM
I know this isn't the main point of your post, but Communism and religion are not mutually exclusive. Marxism and religion are. Leninism and religion... Maoism and religion, etc, are. But Communism as an ideal is not against religion. In fact, the Christian ideal is very much like Communism. The first century church behaved like a small communist state -- really just a community in which each person cared for the others more than themselves. Communism doesn't work as a form of government because people don't care about eachother more than themselves. However, as an ideal is shares many values with Christianity and does not in any way exclude religion. Just a point I thought might need clairifying.
6/9/05 2:59 PM
True. The early church did infact act like a small communist state, and in a perfect society it would work. I probably should have made a more stress about Karl Marx's idea that religion was nothing more than an illusion. That was one of his big mistakes. Making religion out to be nothing but an illusion that threatened the sovereignty of the state. Good points.
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